一直思考 两名男主 是什么关系 以为自己溜号 错过了哪段 然而结尾处 四个月后的婚礼中 两人最终同框 双故事线的叙事模式 最后有些重叠 的确有点意思
WA的剧 总会意外被某句台词逗笑 知识分子的幽默 我可能只能理解到最浅薄的那一层 不过也好 至少我也真正笑过
结尾处 法罗摘下眼镜 长发披肩 贡献本剧最美一幕
👨🏻 香槟和鱼子酱是我最喜欢的
👩🏻没有鱼子酱 我有燕麦片 对心脏很好
新年伊始 突发奇想 第一篇豆瓣短评 献给WA🥰
《罪与错》是一部讨论存在主义的现实主义电影,伍迪本人认为《罪与错》是小说电影:人物之间是独立的,故事之间也是独立的。同样的手法我们之前在《汉娜姐妹》中已经看过了,大姐二姐的故事和姐夫的故事同步分开进行。
存在主义是伍迪艾伦唯一关心的主题。电影一如既往地阐述了伍迪的虚无主义世界观,还有他看待这个世界的消极态度。在影片中,李维博士如此说道:“宇宙是个冰冷的地方,我们却为之付出真情。”这部电影讨论着死亡、人与宇宙还有道德的关系,是一部富含哲理的剧情片。伍迪本人是这样评论这部电影的:“我认为《罪与错》属于我比较满意的作品,以一种相对于轻松的方式探讨了我感兴趣的哲学主题。电影中既有欢快的时刻,也有紧张压抑的时刻,总的来说我觉得还不错。”
以轻松的方式讨论哲学主题。伍迪艾伦对于这部电影的点评真是一针见血。在我看来却不仅仅是这部电影。1987年《情怀九月天》,1988年《另一个女人》,1989年《罪与错》,这三年的三部电影全是这样“以轻松的方式讨论哲学主题”的电影。这三部电影拍得实在太轻松了,轻松得有些让人觉得无聊。尽管这是此时期伍迪艾伦喜欢呈现的电影方式,类似他的偶像英格玛·伯格曼的哲理、诗意的类型电影。但此时期伍迪的电影深度实在是太浅薄了,以致于无法发人深省成为经典。伍迪艾伦自己也说伯格曼的《第七封印》完美诠释了死亡这个主题,没有人能超越它,因为这已经是终极的、戏剧性的诠释方式。
此片的摄影师仍然是英格玛·伯格曼的御用摄影师斯文·尼科维斯特,电影中大量使用了伯格曼电影中表达细腻情感的特写镜头。此时期的伍迪艾伦的这些电影严肃得太像伯格曼了,同时又轻松得太不像伯格曼了。《罪与错》中医生指使杀手杀死自己的情人,显示出伍迪艾伦在”婚外恋”这一电影情节元素的一大突破。在以往伍迪的电影中,“婚外恋”的处理结果无非是与妻子、丈夫破镜重圆或主角与情妇、情夫携手冲破世俗。此次伍迪使用了戏剧性的“谋杀”剧情来升华主题。可惜《罪与错》还是显得太平淡了。直到《赛末点》,伍迪的婚外恋电影终于到达了戏剧性的巅峰。1989年的《罪与错》对于伍迪来说,还是太稚嫩的表达了。
What difference does the God make? He made the universe structured with meaning, and gifted mankind the capacity to love. Thereafter, the universe is no longer imbued with darkness and chaos but light and order. By teaching us how to behave morally and how to love, he teaches us “how to live,” which in the mean time presupposes “life is worth living,” and having these two questions answered is the most significant difference that God makes. In Woody Allen’s Crimes and Misdemeanors, Ben, a devoted rabbi, tries to help Judah, a illustrious ophthalmologist who also comes from a Jewish background but rejects it, to come up with a solution for his moral dilemma between his wife and mistress. In addition to suggesting a practical movement—to confess the wrong to his wife—Ben points out Judah’s problem of infidelity is not accidental but rooted in his comprehension of the meaning of existence. “You see it as harsh and empty of values and pitiless… and I couldn’t go on living if I didn’t feel with all my heart a moral structure with real meaning, and, forgiveness, and some kind of higher power. Otherwise there is no basis to know how to live.” Although Judah chooses to commit murder against his mistress at last, he is not an entirely evil man—there are still “sparks from his religious background that suddenly stirs up” and he constantly hesitates, questions himself, and torments with guilt. But he is a man of moral weakness, “a man that could not make up his mind.” In the end, he tries to justify himself as conducting under irresistible compulsion of the harsh “reality”. He starts to talk like his brother Jack, who seems to cut himself from the moral structure and God’s eyesight and continuously performing “crimes and misdemeanors” without guilt. “God is a luxury that I can’t afford,” he claims, “I can’t afford to look away form reality; I can’t afford to be aloof.” In my opinion, all their arguments are false. No matter how “desperate” the situation is, man is never deprived of the right to choose. “We are all faced throughout our lives with agonizing decisions,” Prof. Levy says at the conclusion of the film, “We define ourselves by the choices we have made; we are in fact the sum total of our choices. ” Human can always choose to be righteous or evil, and the difference God makes is that he teaches us how to choose. Judah’s suffering is all because of his rejection of God’s guidance on how to choose and live. Like his “nihilist” aunt, he doesn’t believe a moral structure is guarding justice in the world but justice is merely “the advantage of the stronger”. But there is an moral order preserved, however, proved “no matter by the Old Testament or Shakespeare.” The jester Lester is not totally stupid in a way, for he says “Time is passing by… and will make it a fair game.” Moreover, to some extent, the question really is not about “who holds the truth” but “how can one live a good life.” As Halley says, “No matter how elaborate a philosophical system you work out, in the end, it’s gotta be incomplete.” When the philosopher Louis levy jumped out of the window, Judah’s father says “If necessary, I’ll always choose God over truth.” He now appears to be the truly wise man, and it’s the God that makes the difference between life and death. In spite of all above, following the God does not guarantee a “happy end”. It’s true that “if you want a happy ending, you should go instead to see a Hollywood movie,” for life is a tragedy. But tragedy does not equal pessimism and demands pathos. It is necessary for us to understand life as tragedy. Tragedy is among the common man (Arthur Miller). “Events unfold so unpredictably, so unfairly, that human happiness does not seem to have been included in the design of creation,” and yet we, like the tragic heroes who keep falling, “seem to have the ability to keep trying, and even to find joy from simple things like their family, their work, and from the hope that future generations might understand more.” This is the love of life, and it is the difference God makes.
影片有些过于严肃
较明显的犹太背景,以表象相对轻松实则沉重的诗意方式处理关于死亡的哲学问题,浓重的伯格曼影子。不要低估伍迪的赤子之心(他自称“较满意的作品”)。最后一段说教真是太好了,我们就是所做选择的总和,不是所有的罪都会被惩罚,不是所有的错都会被发现,生活仍然在无望继续;上帝和真理究竟谁更重要,没有给出的答案,延续在以后作品中。
——我最近一次在一个女人身体里,是在参观自由女神像的时候。。。
演技派、深刻的题材都凑齐了,当然是一出好戏。
伍迪艾伦和伯格曼的对话(大约也是他“伯格曼时期”巅峰作品了),两个部分交叉进行。伯格曼部分是伯格曼化的黑色电影,拍得极为精彩,主题上也走到伯格曼常问的“上帝在不在”;伍迪艾伦部分则自反了喜剧的构成。本片后来发展出[赛末点]。
最后的聚会,罪的人与错的人终于坐在一起对话,整部戏都活了,“如果你想要皆大欢喜,就去看好莱坞电影,我们说的是现实世界”。伍迪·艾伦刻薄得令人五体投地。
电影的故事情节有两条主线平行交织而成
按电影类别分的话,这是一部喜剧。尽管里面有谋杀,但是电影还是一如既往的艾伦式的喜剧基调。
Don't listen to what your teachers tell you, just see what they look like and that's how you'll know what life is really gonna be like. 噗~开头伍迪艾伦带着侄女看的片子居然是carole的mr.&.mrs. smith....可以和赛末点对着看。
伍迪·艾伦早期电影的配乐很出彩,多线叙事也算常见,不过这部中“罪”与“错”两条线在最后汇合却是没想到的。看多了伍迪·艾伦,故事走向大同小异,不过前期电影的表达方式要好得多,后来的《卡珊德拉之梦》就太温吞了。P.S.医生回望童年那一段在致敬伯格曼的《野草莓》。
好像终于绕了回来,分合结构是《汉娜姐妹》的翻版,两个泾渭分明的故事,之一显然脱胎于《曼哈顿》,另一个后来演化为《赛末点》,把形式与内容的心得拿来重新整合,既像创新也像取巧,两个宗教主题的糅合说服力并不强或说不是重心所在,整体基调还是属于其个人的怀疑精神、调侃趣味和无奈气质。
未免太严肃了,不过,如果今晚没有看这部而是跑去看HAFF那210分钟的闭幕片,估计才是真的要睡着。
克里夫被迫成为了纪录片的导演。在忍受莱斯特恼人个性的同时,克里夫遇见了自己的真命天女哈莉(米亚·法罗 Mia Farrow 饰)。
说教片,一部讲了《赛末点》《独家新闻》《无理之人》三部都没讲全的,片中许多互文挺完美的。同样是去伦敦,十年前《曼哈顿》结局里You gotta have a little faith in people的破灭——如果【伍迪艾伦有厌女症】假设成立(i don't give a shit),不难看出米亚法罗的离异成熟女性角色和海明威的清纯少女角色的惨烈对比;结尾婚礼上瞎了的Rabbi展现时间的流逝;医生的童年犹太家庭餐桌戏很妙;Alan Alda的第一个伍迪艾伦假想敌角色,和《曼哈顿悬疑谋杀案》里角色的相似之处让人有理由怀疑他只是being himself罢了,片中重复了三遍的名言【喜剧=悲剧+时间】不无道理,但最后医生和伍迪的一番对话暗示了【恐怖故事=未忏悔的罪恶=悲剧+时间=喜剧=生活本身】,嘻嘻;哲学教授角色就是机械降神叭,还好让他自杀了,投机取巧又不忘嘲讽的伍迪老头儿真可爱。
8/10。影片把圣经中罪与罚的意识贯穿于角色心理,杀人者最终要遭受良心上的谴责,观众所希望犯罪行为都受到应有的制裁,但现实并非如此,这种良心谴责随着时间流逝淡化成个人心中隐藏的肮脏秘密。第一段话题严肃而不有趣,拍摄下投资人献媚女友、剪辑对照墨索里尼而被炒的伍迪艾伦自演的后段较为突出。
Woody Allen大概在这个片子里面想讲一些关于现实生活中的道德边界,引用的哲学博士讲的话太学术太擦边,印象不深。倒是一直挺喜欢这个小老头的念叨,很有一些比较精辟的搞笑的话。
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相当喜欢的一部,算是伍迪艾伦80年代仿伯格曼后集大成之作,在技法上把严肃的讲故事与安妮霍尔式的自嘲讽刺结合的非常纯熟,招牌场景也层出不穷,总的来说是伍迪艾伦少数绝对不可错过的片子,力荐
由伍迪艾伦编剧和导演的美国存在主义喜剧电影,成功融合了情节剧、《杀人短片》式的哲学探讨和喜剧。裘德道德困境的轮廓——一个人是否能在知道犯下谋杀罪的情况下继续日常生活——唤起了对俄罗斯小说家陀思妥耶夫斯基的《罪与罚》(1866)的核心观点,尽管他提出了一个与小说几乎相反的解决方案。艾伦会在他的电影《赛末点》、《卡珊德拉的梦》和《非理性的人》中重温这个主题。艾伦处理如此多不同音调和声音的连锁故事的能力,凸显了他戏剧家的天赋,一个悔过老人对童年餐桌场景的追忆则暗示了向伯格曼《野草莓》的致敬,其中过去与现在形成了平行切换的关系。关于失明、良心和自知之明的危险而巧妙的隐喻,使故事统摄到一种精美的框架中。
#观影手记# 2395《赛末点》差不多就是这部主题的再一次演绎,这两部对比,就是最好的无敌艾伦和次好的伍迪艾伦之间的差别,虽然《赛末点》的知名度要高得多。牧师代表“盲目”?我更觉得整个故事是命运弄人作恶不一定受惩罚好人未必得好报(善良拉比遭遇不幸;理想主义纪录片小导演对决春风得意电视节目制片人,事业爱情满盘皆输;婚外情,挪用公款,杀死情人的医生,倍受敬仰,事事顺遂),哲学家的不同解读,我不认可,但好像也无力反驳,这种“多义性”也还蛮有趣。和拉比间关于杀人的告解(对谈)都是幻象?逻辑上确实是,但有什么视听上的暗示吗?很喜欢安杰丽卡休斯顿,但她不适合这个小三角色,看着实在是个收放自如,玩弄男人于股掌的潇洒女人。“上一次我进去一个女人的身体,是去看自由女神像.”,哈哈哈。